The Safe House Project 2009 for Displaced & Homeless MSM/Transgender reviewed & more


In response to numerous requests for more information on the defunct Safe House Pilot Project that was to address the growing numbers of displaced and homeless LGBTQ Youth in New Kingston in 2007/8/9, a review of the relevance of the project as a solution, the possible avoidance of present issues with some of its previous residents if it were kept open.
Recorded June 12, 2013; also see from the former Executive Director named in the podcast more background on the project: HERE also see the beginning of the issues from the closure of the project: The Quietus ……… The Safe House Project Closes and The Ultimatum on December 30, 2009

Tuesday, August 23, 2011

The dark side to the homeless issue ..............


As this post was created disturbing reports (now fully confirmed) of unruly and outlandish protests by some of the homeless men are coming in as twice since this morning the men visited the premises of Jamaica AIDS Support for Life offices for reasons that are unclear, yesterday morning as well the security detail that is contracted to protect the property was summoned to quell what would have become a MAJOR disturbance as I had updated a post on GJW:



original update August 22, 2011


"Reports suggests at around 9:15 am a set of the homeless men went to the property adjacent to the Jamaica AIDS Support for Life offices where a gaping breach is in the bordering fence and created a temporary scene calling the occupants gays and battymen and other negative connotations so much so that the security detail contracted to provide surveillance had to be called in to maintain order, the men reportedly entered from the rear of the premises via an adjacent property but were kept back by the security, a shouting match ensued for some minutes. There seemed to be a zero tolerance approach the security detail however was professional who for all intents and purposes are usually summoned via a panic button or some other digital signalling device. According to the eyewitness while one of the men behaved very badly, almost defrocking infront of the detail the other men were more subdued and seem to cooperate in retreating to the neighbouring property.

The reason given for the visit was to see the Crisis Intervention officer for JFLAG who was said to have been at the office or expected to be so but they were told she was not there, they interpreted the reasons to be untrue so they felt they needed to react, in my view that is not a good enough reason and only serves to weaken their position in terms of finding a solution and quickly.

The behaviour of the men is a cause of concern for the residents as they fear needed attention to the property a view that is fear but given the article in The Jamaica Observer and the hint to where certain offices are there is some concerns as well. Certainly I am on record as to the behaviour of the men and would be unfair if I did not bring that part into question but if the only way to deal with this rebellious population is to not engage them and besides the major LGBT body politic is not engaged anyway then I am afraid more reports like this may be forthcoming or worse."



ENDS

today however ..............

JASL Offices

If these continued outburst occur as one angry resident of the property puts it then serious action would have to be taken which may include getting the landlord involved and I think that this only hurts their case and those who support them in terms of looking at long term solutions but also it proves at the same time that if they were engaged to begin with then we wouldn't be at this juncture now. JFLAG staff who happen to be on the property are trying to quell the situation as motorists passing by are being directed to the property by the screaming men. This is indeed a sad day and by extension time as this could have been avoided if only we heeded the early warning signs but this group was to have just faded I think the powers that be thought now the backlash is right at their doorstep literally.

In fairness ALL SIDES have to be taken into account on this, safety concerns are of the utmost importance as well for all parties who use the premises.

A resident said that as they were returning from doing business on the road they came across the men outside hurling insults at them and again saying the property is a "battyman place" as if to suggest they have or should have unfettered access to the grounds and services. Even if the guys were upset this is the wrong line to be taking instead of saying they are not being heard, to put the idea that the homophobia should be directed at the organization now is worrying, I am also worried and so too are others that this may get really violent and there maybe harm coming to the men from whatever quarters. Feedback from some taxi drivers as well who are known to me who sometimes park alongside the road as a rest stop suggest cynicism as they are asking amongst themselves where would an organization to serve gays push away their own when they are calling for rights in general? and they also had scaving remarks for the unruly men as well saying they are making their own case weak, one driver who I spoke to yesterday suggested we should work it our quickly as we do not know who may be in the wings watching, which to me makes sense.

Calls have been made that some intervention should urgently come as well to help to quell this tension now and some names have been suggested, frankly it is not our fault in essence why this backlash now comes the groups and individuals who should have gotten their hands dirty to begin with in real interventions are now being forced to consider same. The Executive Director of the J went out personally to speak to the men as a police presence is maintained on the property, for how long it is not yet clear.
Since then the influentials provided meals out of pocket and according to observers the JFLAG team even at this juncture seemed aloof to the whole thing, the crisis intervention personnel arrived and headed straight for the offices without engaging the protesting men who say they will continue their agitations albeit in a more peaceful manner (word of mouth actions yet to prove otherwise) the men say they are asking for meals, a place to shower etc.

Let us wait and see, if this quells I will try to see the men tonight as my day schedule has me at a fixed location. Please pray if you do so for this to ease down soon so we can work out a speedy solution. Interim solution is for influentials to visit the scene and calm nerves then move to a secure location to start dialogue as the advocates have not been able to control the tempers.

13;26hrs confirmed the arrival of television crew
A television crew from TVJ the same station that refused to air the ad from JFLAG was on the scene as well.

audio post (PART 1) after speaking to persons on the other side of the equation on August 22, 2011


Here is a side effect of what can occur due to the neglect by the powers that be of the population without the needed stabilization work needed and or behaviour modification interventions, there is more to this population than HIV prevention with the agencies seems stuck on.

AUDIO PART II of the actual events concerning the civil disobedience at Jamaica AIDS Support for Life



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click the "Homeless MSM in Jamaica" tab immediately below for previous entries on the subject

11 comments:

mark said...

They need to get that fence fixed. Property integrity is of major importance.

Anonymous said...

Many of the men have threatened to harm the CIO of the J, which is ludicrous, because she is and has always been the most vocal advocate for their concerns at the office.

To call her names and tell her how dem ago push up X and Y in her (vagina) and stomach an dash acid pan har wen dem ketch har a road, is a HUGE slap in the face.

These men themselves acknowledge that JASL is the only place they can turn to for support... no one else gives a shit, unfortunately. For this reason, they need to be careful not to jeopardize the relationship that they currently have.

Coming to the organization demanding food and showers ostensibly because a battyman prapati an a bare batty an lesbian work ova de, an dem deserve fi get tingz because money a come dong fram farin fi dem, does not seem to be the most effective way to advocate for their cause.

Btw, I was at the scene yesterday. These are just MY opinions.

Unknown said...

we can argue they went about it wrong in some aspects but that "battyman entitlement bit" is not an new phenomenon, the bigger picture is why did it have to reach so far that a second civil disobedience was needed, focus on the bigger issue which amounts to "bread n butter" and besides if they would not listen or pay attention quietly then mek noise, they taught all of us a lesson yesterday ...... disrupt the order and make your demands

Anonymous said...

Howie, i disagree: the BIGGEST issue now is the harm these guys are willing to put themselves and everyone else into all because they feel they are more entitled to something than anyone else. Their going as far as threatening the lives of others must not be swept under the issue of whether JASL or JFLAG is assisting them or not. it is two separate issues, with neither deemed lesser important. Sure, JASL could have handled yesterday better but if that type of behaviour occurs again after so much support came there to aid them, then what will we all have to say then?

Thankfully, there has been great peace and quiet today but i remain watching everything...

Unknown said...

JASL/JFLAG's irresponsibility

Unknown said...

continued aloofness hoping to ignoring it that it will go away

Anonymous said...

Hmmm... Howie, I think you're being a little unreasonable.

You were making a point about the negligence of the crisis intervention personnel, and I don't think it was a fair point to make because you are not fully aware of the context that led to the impasse we witnessed yesterday.

As much as I feel if for these men, I would not feel obligated to converse with people who repeatedly threaten to maim and murder me.

Anonymous said...

just within the last 30 minutes, the ringleader Beyonce came on the property, loudly proclaiming that they are not going to stop coming here until them lock down the place. No one was here to even challenge them yet he still felt the need to assert his aggressiveness in a rude manner. The JFLAG head went to speak to them while I kindly alerted the landlady/ the police to the situation. He is the main reason why so many people are opposed to their plight currently.

We can 'blame' JASL or JFLAG for a lot but not for such abusive behavior...

Unknown said...

let's see maybe if the RIGHT people spoke to them yesterday instead of influentials who had to be remotely summoned to the scene then the threats would not continue besides the "battyman entitlement" issue can be ignored if one understands that it is just mouth talk but fear is a hell of a thing aint it?

Anonymous said...

what will it take though for the 'right' people to help then though Howie? I mean, as i speak, the guys (headed by Beyonce of course) are over the ppl dem property yelling and fighting each other at the top of their lungs. From my view-point i can see the fighting. This is all self-inflicted damage. How long will it take the 'right' ppl to come to their assistance? Where are the other voices other than yourself rallying to help them? where are the other guys who use to come around them now in this time of need?

Unknown said...

maybe that's the other side of the problem too the "other guys" need to get out the way and let the homeless (barring the inconveniences) meet their detractors face to face whilst bringing the issues squarely in their faces and persons like myself and the "others" have been calling to attention to this growing problem for a long time, some things just have to play out naturally, change is not an easy thing but let us see how this one plays out ....

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What to Do .....




a. Make a phone call: to a lawyer or relative or anyone

b. Ask to see a lawyer immediately: if you don’t have the money ask for a Duty Council

c. A Duty Council is a lawyer provided by the state

d. Talk to a lawyer before you talk to the police

e. Tell your lawyer if anyone hits you and identify who did so by name and number

f. Give no explanations excuses or stories: you can make your defense later in court based on what you and your lawyer decided

g. Ask the sub officer in charge of the station to grant bail once you are charged with an offence

h. Ask to be taken before a justice of The Peace immediately if the sub officer refuses you bail

i. Demand to be brought before a Resident Magistrate and have your lawyer ask the judge for bail

j. Ask that any property taken from you be listed and sealed in your presence

Cases of Assault:An assault is an apprehension that someone is about to hit you

The following may apply:

1) Call 119 or go to the station or the police arrives depending on the severity of the injuries

2) The report must be about the incident as it happened, once the report is admitted as evidence it becomes the basis for the trial

3) Critical evidence must be gathered as to the injuries received which may include a Doctor’s report of the injuries.

4) The description must be clearly stated; describing injuries directly and identifying them clearly, show the doctor the injuries clearly upon the visit it must be able to stand up under cross examination in court.

5) Misguided evidence threatens the credibility of the witness during a trial; avoid the questioning of the witnesses credibility, the tribunal of fact must be able to rely on the witness’s word in presenting evidence

6) The court is guided by credible evidence on which it will make it’s finding of facts

7) Bolster the credibility of a case by a report from an independent disinterested party.

Notes on Bail & Court Appearance issues


If in doubt speak to your attorney

Bail and its importance -

If one is locked up then the following may apply:
Locked up over a weekend - Arrested pursuant to being charged or detained There must be reasonable suspicion i.e. about to commit a crime, committing a crime or have committed a crime.

There are two standards that must be met:

1). Subjective standard: what the officer(s) believed to have happened

2). Objective standard: proper and diligent collection of evidence that implicates the accused To remove or restrain a citizen’s liberty it cannot be done on mere suspicion and must have the above two standards

 Police officers can offer bail with exceptions for murder, treason and alleged gun offences, under the Justice of the Peace Act a JP can also come to the police station and bail a person, this provision as incorporated into the bail act in the late nineties

 Once a citizen is arrested bail must be considered within twelve hours of entering the station – the agents of the state must give consideration as to whether or not the circumstances of the case requires that bail be given

 The accused can ask that a Justice of the Peace be brought to the station any time of the day. By virtue of taking the office excluding health and age they are obliged to assist in securing bail

"Bail is not a matter for daylight

Locked up and appearing in court

 Bail is offered at the courts office provided it was extended by the court; it is the court that has the jurisdiction over the police with persons in custody is concerned.

 Bail can still be offered if you were arrested and charged without being taken to court a JP can still intervene and assist with the bail process.

Other Points of Interest

 The accused has a right to know of the exact allegation

 The detainee could protect himself, he must be careful not to be exposed to any potential witness

 Avoid being viewed as police may deliberately expose detainees

 Bail is not offered to persons allegedly with gun charges

 Persons who allegedly interfere with minors do not get bail

 If over a long period without charge a writ of habeas corpus however be careful of the police doing last minute charges so as to avoid an error

 Every instance that a matter is brought before the court and bail was refused before the accused can apply for bail as it is set out in the bail act as every court appearance is a chance to ask for bail

 Each case is determined by its own merit – questions to be considered for bail:

a) Is the accused a flight risk?

b) Are there any other charges that the police may place against the accused?

c) Is the accused likely to interfere with any witnesses?

d) What is the strength of the crown’s/prosecution’s case?

 Poor performing judges can be dealt with at the Judicial Review Court level or a letter to the Chief Justice can start the process

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Battle Lines Javed Jaghai versus the state & the Jamaica Buggery Law



Originally aired on CVM TV December 8th 2013, apologies for some of the glitches as the source feed was not so hot and it kept dropping from source or via the ISP, NO COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT INTENDED and is solely for educational and not for profit use and review. The issue of the pending legal challenge in the Constitutional Court in Jamaica as filed by Javed Jaghai an outspoken activist who happens also to be openly aetheist.

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The Love March
Movement Jamaica

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